African-American Muslims question leader's death freep.com Detroit Free Press
Here is an update from the Detroit
Free Press on the raid and subsequent
death of Luqman Ameen Abdullah.
I mentioned that I would withold any
comment until more facts started
coming out on this case. Well, they have
and here is the first criticism from the
American muslim community about what
happened to Abdullah. Of course he was a
"good humanitarian" and there is an outcry
to the reference of "“reference to the ‘Ummah’
as a ‘nation-wide radical fundamentalist
Sunni group consisting primarily of
African-Americans’ is an offensive
mischaracterization.” No, it is not.
Simply because most of the members of this
'Ummah' are black African Americans. They
are playing the race card. I would not be
surprised at all to see this rapidly escalate
into an all out attack on the F.B.I. from
numerous American Islamic groups. I
will be watching this closely and post any
updates when they come out.
http://www.freep.com/article/20091029/NEWS01/91029049/1322/African-American-Muslims-question-leader-s-death
Mourned and criticized today by some African-American Muslims in metro Detroit and across the U.S.
Labels:
Islam,
Islamic Subversion in America,
Stealth Jihad,
Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam)
Madeline Brooks:Reforming Islam from the inside out? It is possible but not likely.
Labels:
Islam,
Islam against England,
Moderate Muslims.,
Stealth Jihad,
Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam)
American Thinker: Can Islam reform from within?
This is a very interesting opinion
from Ms. Brooks. "Can Islam be reformed
from within?" While this would be great,
I think it is highly unlikely to happen for
quite some time. Radical Islam continues
to grow around the globe.Here in
the USA, as in many countries, Islam is
installing itself by using our laws and
policies against us. "Stealth Jihad" is a
term I mention frequently here. This is
when Islam attacks the very foundations
of the host country through lawsuits at
the local, county, state and federal
levels. It starts with small issues where
one will really not notice freedom is being
stripped away in name of diversity and being
multicultural. One Islam succeeds there, it
goes a bit farther with next issue, and so on
and so on. England is a perfect example. The
majority of Muslims would like to see the law
of the land become Shariah Law. Once and if
that happens, then real intolerance of all
other ideologies, religions and cultures will
be allowed and demanded under Shariah
Law. I would love to Shoaib Choudhury
be successful, and his movement spread like
radical Islam has. Be destroyed from within.
I just cannot see it happening, yet. Not until
those Muslims around the world who truly
want to have it like Mr Choundhury are
willing to take the risk of speaking out and
standing up in large numbers. They are just
not there, yet.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/can_islam_reform_from_within.html
This is a very interesting opinion
from Ms. Brooks. "Can Islam be reformed
from within?" While this would be great,
I think it is highly unlikely to happen for
quite some time. Radical Islam continues
to grow around the globe.Here in
the USA, as in many countries, Islam is
installing itself by using our laws and
policies against us. "Stealth Jihad" is a
term I mention frequently here. This is
when Islam attacks the very foundations
of the host country through lawsuits at
the local, county, state and federal
levels. It starts with small issues where
one will really not notice freedom is being
stripped away in name of diversity and being
multicultural. One Islam succeeds there, it
goes a bit farther with next issue, and so on
and so on. England is a perfect example. The
majority of Muslims would like to see the law
of the land become Shariah Law. Once and if
that happens, then real intolerance of all
other ideologies, religions and cultures will
be allowed and demanded under Shariah
Law. I would love to Shoaib Choudhury
be successful, and his movement spread like
radical Islam has. Be destroyed from within.
I just cannot see it happening, yet. Not until
those Muslims around the world who truly
want to have it like Mr Choundhury are
willing to take the risk of speaking out and
standing up in large numbers. They are just
not there, yet.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/can_islam_reform_from_within.html
Only Obama should be surprised by the Iranians. Turn the dogs loose!
Iran's conditions push nuclear deal close to collapse World news The Guardian
This 'deal' with the Iranians needs
to collapse, and be allowed to die.
The Iranians have been playing
the Obama administration like the
fools that they are. This is vintage
Tehran. They see Obama as weak,
without conviction or strength.
Up to this point they are correct.
Will Obama find some huevos after
this falls apart? We can only hope so
and perhaps Obama will realize that
military action against the Iranian
nuclear program will probably be the
only way to stop them. Israel figured
this out quite so time ago. Appeasement
and trying to make deals with most
arab states almost always leads to
failure. Notice that the arab states
take and take. We and the west,
seldom see any gains. The speech
Obama gave to the arab world on
June 4 of this year from Cairo has
accomplished nothing, except to
isolate Israel, one of our strongest
allies. Should this attempt fail why
waste time with more fruitless
sanctions? Iran has been allowed
too much time to set up other
options, no matter what sanctions
are imposed. It is time to turn the
military dogs loose and settle this
world problem for at least the next
several years.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/29/iran-nuclear-uranium-exchange-deal
This 'deal' with the Iranians needs
to collapse, and be allowed to die.
The Iranians have been playing
the Obama administration like the
fools that they are. This is vintage
Tehran. They see Obama as weak,
without conviction or strength.
Up to this point they are correct.
Will Obama find some huevos after
this falls apart? We can only hope so
and perhaps Obama will realize that
military action against the Iranian
nuclear program will probably be the
only way to stop them. Israel figured
this out quite so time ago. Appeasement
and trying to make deals with most
arab states almost always leads to
failure. Notice that the arab states
take and take. We and the west,
seldom see any gains. The speech
Obama gave to the arab world on
June 4 of this year from Cairo has
accomplished nothing, except to
isolate Israel, one of our strongest
allies. Should this attempt fail why
waste time with more fruitless
sanctions? Iran has been allowed
too much time to set up other
options, no matter what sanctions
are imposed. It is time to turn the
military dogs loose and settle this
world problem for at least the next
several years.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/29/iran-nuclear-uranium-exchange-deal
What could you have done with $24,000? Way to go, Obama. What a complete flop.
Labels:
Cash for Clunkers Obama,
the Economy.
Report: Cash for Clunkers was a lemon csmonitor.com
Do we want to let these clowns
take over our health care system
after this, and other bungling?
Me and my family sure could have
used an extra $24,000 right now.
http://features.csmonitor.com/economyrebuild/2009/10/28/report-cash-for-clunkers-was-a-lemon/
Do we want to let these clowns
take over our health care system
after this, and other bungling?
Me and my family sure could have
used an extra $24,000 right now.
http://features.csmonitor.com/economyrebuild/2009/10/28/report-cash-for-clunkers-was-a-lemon/
Get ready for outrage from Muslims: Detroit mosque leader killed.
Detroit mosque leader killed in FBI raids detnews.com The Detroit News
The entire article is here for you to
read. I will withold any comments on
my part until more facts come out in
the next few days. One thing you can
be assured of is that the Muslims and
Muslim Organizations are going to jump
all over this no matter what the total
truth will be. There will be the usual
outrage of racism, racial profiling,
victimhood, persecution and religious
discrimination. This will happen for sure,
no matter what the facts turn out to be.
Note that this happened in Detroit, which
has one of the largest concentrations of
Muslims in the United States.
Paul Egan / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The leader of a Detroit mosque who allegedly espoused violence and separatism was shot and killed Wednesday in an FBI gun battle at a Dearborn warehouse.
Luqman Ameen Abdullah, imam of the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque in Detroit, was being arrested on a raft of federal charges including conspiracy, receipt of stolen goods, and firearms offenses.
Charges were also filed against 11 of Abdullah's followers. Eight were in custody Wednesday night awaiting detention hearings today; three remained at large.
A federal complaint filed Wednesday identified Abdullah, 53, also known as Christopher Thomas, as "a highly placed leader of a nationwide radical fundamentalist Sunni group." His black Muslim group calls itself "Ummah," or the brotherhood, and wants to establish a separate state within the United States governed by Sharia law, Interim U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg and Andrew Arena, FBI special agent in charge in Detroit, said in a joint statement.
"He regularly preaches anti-government and anti-law enforcement rhetoric," an FBI agent wrote in an affidavit. "Abdullah and his followers have trained regularly in the use of firearms, and continue to train in martial arts and sword fighting."
The Ummah is headed nationally by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a state sentence for the murder of two police officers in Georgia.
Early Wednesday afternoon, FBI agents and local police from the Joint Terrorism Task Force surrounded a warehouse and trucking firm on Miller Road near Michigan Avenue where Abdullah and four of his followers were hiding, said Special Agent Sandra Berchtold, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Detroit.
When agents entered the warehouse, four of the men obeyed orders to surrender but Abdullah opened fire and was shot to death, Berchtold said. An FBI dog was also shot and killed, she said.
Through a 45-page complaint filed in the case alleges Abdullah "calls his followers to an offensive jihad" and preaches that every Muslim should "have a weapon and should not be scared to use their weapon when needed," charges in the case to not include terrorism or national security crimes.
The complaint further alleged that an armed group known as the "Sutra team" protected the mosque.
In January, when members were evicted from a building on Joy Road for non-payment of property taxes, Detroit police confiscated two firearms, about 40 knives and martial arts weapons from Abdullah's apartment, the complaint alleged.
The mosque then relocated to Clairmount in Detroit, the complaint says.
According to the complaint, Abdullah told an informant that if the FBI came to get him: "I'll just strap a bomb on and blow up everybody." On another occasion, he said: "We've got to take out the U.S. government," the complaint alleges.
David Nu'man of Detroit, who considered himself a friend of Abdullah, said he is skeptical about the allegations.
"It doesn't seem to be of his character," said Nu'man, who had attended the mosque on Joy Road but was not a member.
Ihsan Bagby, the general secretary of the Muslim Alliance of North America, said Abdullah was a member of the Lexington, K.Y. based group, and his shooting shocked the African American Muslim community nationwide.
"We want to know what happened," said Bagby. "We had no inkling of any kind of criminal activity. This is a complete shock to all of us."
The others charged are:
• Mohammad Abdul Salaam, also known as Gregory Stone, 45, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes and sale or receipt of stolen goods.
• Abdullah Beard, also known as Detric Lamont Driver, 37, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Abdul Saboor, also known as Dwayne Edward Davis, 37, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Mujahid Carswell, also known as Mujahid Abdullah, 30, of Detroit and Ontario, Canada, with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Adam Ibraheem, 38, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Gary Laverne Porter, 59, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes and possession of firearms by a convicted felon.
• Ali Abdul Raqib, 57, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Mohammad Alsahi, also known as Mohammad Palestine, 33, of Ontario, Canada, with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Yassir Ali Khan, 30, of Ontario, Canada, and Warren, with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Mohammad Abdul Bassir, also known as Franklin D. Roosevelt Williams, 50, of Ojibway Correctional Facility with conspiracy to commit federal crimes, sale or receipt of stolen goods, mail fraud, supplying firearms to felons, possession of weapons by a felon, and altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers.
• A.C. Pusha, charged in a separate complaint late Wednesday with conspiracy to receive and sell stolen goods.
Salaam, Saboor, Porter, Beard, Ibraheem, Raqib, and Pusha all appeared in U.S. District Court in Detroit late Wednesday afternoon. Bassir is in state custody. Others charged are still at large.
Prior to the gunfight in Dearborn, the FBI executed search warrants at 4467 Tireman and 9278 Genesee in Detroit, officials said.
Yellow police tape was put up outside the Dearborn warehouse and a Dearborn police car was parked outside.
pegan@detnews.com (313) 222-2069 David Josar, Charlie LeDuff, Oralandar Brand-Williams and George Hunter contributed.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091028/METRO/910280436/Leader-of-Detroit-mosque-killed--11-charged-in-FBI-raids
The entire article is here for you to
read. I will withold any comments on
my part until more facts come out in
the next few days. One thing you can
be assured of is that the Muslims and
Muslim Organizations are going to jump
all over this no matter what the total
truth will be. There will be the usual
outrage of racism, racial profiling,
victimhood, persecution and religious
discrimination. This will happen for sure,
no matter what the facts turn out to be.
Note that this happened in Detroit, which
has one of the largest concentrations of
Muslims in the United States.
Paul Egan / The Detroit News
Detroit -- The leader of a Detroit mosque who allegedly espoused violence and separatism was shot and killed Wednesday in an FBI gun battle at a Dearborn warehouse.
Luqman Ameen Abdullah, imam of the Masjid Al-Haqq mosque in Detroit, was being arrested on a raft of federal charges including conspiracy, receipt of stolen goods, and firearms offenses.
Charges were also filed against 11 of Abdullah's followers. Eight were in custody Wednesday night awaiting detention hearings today; three remained at large.
A federal complaint filed Wednesday identified Abdullah, 53, also known as Christopher Thomas, as "a highly placed leader of a nationwide radical fundamentalist Sunni group." His black Muslim group calls itself "Ummah," or the brotherhood, and wants to establish a separate state within the United States governed by Sharia law, Interim U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg and Andrew Arena, FBI special agent in charge in Detroit, said in a joint statement.
"He regularly preaches anti-government and anti-law enforcement rhetoric," an FBI agent wrote in an affidavit. "Abdullah and his followers have trained regularly in the use of firearms, and continue to train in martial arts and sword fighting."
The Ummah is headed nationally by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a state sentence for the murder of two police officers in Georgia.
Early Wednesday afternoon, FBI agents and local police from the Joint Terrorism Task Force surrounded a warehouse and trucking firm on Miller Road near Michigan Avenue where Abdullah and four of his followers were hiding, said Special Agent Sandra Berchtold, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Detroit.
When agents entered the warehouse, four of the men obeyed orders to surrender but Abdullah opened fire and was shot to death, Berchtold said. An FBI dog was also shot and killed, she said.
Through a 45-page complaint filed in the case alleges Abdullah "calls his followers to an offensive jihad" and preaches that every Muslim should "have a weapon and should not be scared to use their weapon when needed," charges in the case to not include terrorism or national security crimes.
The complaint further alleged that an armed group known as the "Sutra team" protected the mosque.
In January, when members were evicted from a building on Joy Road for non-payment of property taxes, Detroit police confiscated two firearms, about 40 knives and martial arts weapons from Abdullah's apartment, the complaint alleged.
The mosque then relocated to Clairmount in Detroit, the complaint says.
According to the complaint, Abdullah told an informant that if the FBI came to get him: "I'll just strap a bomb on and blow up everybody." On another occasion, he said: "We've got to take out the U.S. government," the complaint alleges.
David Nu'man of Detroit, who considered himself a friend of Abdullah, said he is skeptical about the allegations.
"It doesn't seem to be of his character," said Nu'man, who had attended the mosque on Joy Road but was not a member.
Ihsan Bagby, the general secretary of the Muslim Alliance of North America, said Abdullah was a member of the Lexington, K.Y. based group, and his shooting shocked the African American Muslim community nationwide.
"We want to know what happened," said Bagby. "We had no inkling of any kind of criminal activity. This is a complete shock to all of us."
The others charged are:
• Mohammad Abdul Salaam, also known as Gregory Stone, 45, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes and sale or receipt of stolen goods.
• Abdullah Beard, also known as Detric Lamont Driver, 37, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Abdul Saboor, also known as Dwayne Edward Davis, 37, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Mujahid Carswell, also known as Mujahid Abdullah, 30, of Detroit and Ontario, Canada, with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Adam Ibraheem, 38, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Gary Laverne Porter, 59, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes and possession of firearms by a convicted felon.
• Ali Abdul Raqib, 57, of Detroit with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Mohammad Alsahi, also known as Mohammad Palestine, 33, of Ontario, Canada, with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Yassir Ali Khan, 30, of Ontario, Canada, and Warren, with conspiracy to commit federal crimes.
• Mohammad Abdul Bassir, also known as Franklin D. Roosevelt Williams, 50, of Ojibway Correctional Facility with conspiracy to commit federal crimes, sale or receipt of stolen goods, mail fraud, supplying firearms to felons, possession of weapons by a felon, and altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers.
• A.C. Pusha, charged in a separate complaint late Wednesday with conspiracy to receive and sell stolen goods.
Salaam, Saboor, Porter, Beard, Ibraheem, Raqib, and Pusha all appeared in U.S. District Court in Detroit late Wednesday afternoon. Bassir is in state custody. Others charged are still at large.
Prior to the gunfight in Dearborn, the FBI executed search warrants at 4467 Tireman and 9278 Genesee in Detroit, officials said.
Yellow police tape was put up outside the Dearborn warehouse and a Dearborn police car was parked outside.
pegan@detnews.com (313) 222-2069 David Josar, Charlie LeDuff, Oralandar Brand-Williams and George Hunter contributed.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091028/METRO/910280436/Leader-of-Detroit-mosque-killed--11-charged-in-FBI-raids
Blast kills over 90 people in Pakistan. Country on edge of tipping into chaos?
93 killed in blast at crowded Pakistan market - Pakistan - msnbc.com
Pakistan is pushed closer to the edge of
chaos by every attack. This latest attack
was centered on a women' market. Many
of the dead were reported to be women
and children.
It is so refreshing to see our staunch
ally hitting back against terrorists so hard,
with all the weapons at their disposal.
Attack a market that is mostly filled with
women and children. What a perfect way
to terrorize a country. To kill those who are
the most innocent.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33503576/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia
Tags: Al Qaeda, Pakistan, Terrorist Attacks To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the Patriot's Corner. Thanks!
Pakistan is pushed closer to the edge of
chaos by every attack. This latest attack
was centered on a women' market. Many
of the dead were reported to be women
and children.
It is so refreshing to see our staunch
ally hitting back against terrorists so hard,
with all the weapons at their disposal.
Attack a market that is mostly filled with
women and children. What a perfect way
to terrorize a country. To kill those who are
the most innocent.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33503576/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia
Tags: Al Qaeda, Pakistan, Terrorist Attacks To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the Patriot's Corner. Thanks!
Father of 9/11 Victim fights to have the CORRECT words on his Son's memeorial. I see nothing wrong by including"Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" on The memorial.
Labels:
9/11,
September 11,
Sushil Solanki,
Terrorist attack,
Victims of Cantor Fitzgerald,
victims of Islam
Father of 9/11 Victim Fights to Have 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' Inscribed on Son's Memorial - FOXNews.com
Hat tip: Bare Naked Islam
KENT, Conn. — Peter Gadiel wants everyone to remember his son, James,
who was killed during the September 11 terrorist attacks.
And he also wants people to remember how he died: "Murdered by Muslim terrorists."
Heroes to many Muslims
in England.
For Gadiel, any tribute to his son would be woefully incomplete
without those words.
"I think it's important, because I think there's a nationwide effort to suppress
the identity of the people who were involved in the attacks,"
Gadiel told Fox News.
Eight years ago, 23-year-old James Gadiel worked for Cantor Fitzgerald on the
103rd floor of the World Trade Center. He died when a hijacked plane
crashed into the North Tower.
For years, Gadiel's hometown of Kent, Conn., has wanted to honor the
young man with a memorial plaque next to its town hall. But the tribute
has hit a snag because James' father wants to include the phrase,
"Murdered by Muslim terrorists," under his son's name.
For Peter Gadiel, it is a central fact of the Sept. 11 attacks that is often left out.
"It isn't just overlooked, it's suppressed," Gadiel said. "It's simply wrong to
imply that people just died. The buildings didn't just collapse,
they didn't just fall down — they were attacked by people with a
specific identity, a specific purpose."
Town officials call the phrase too controversial for a small town memorial,
and they recently voted against erecting the plaque if Gadiel insists on the language.
"We perceive ourselves as a very warm, loving town," said Ruth Epstein, a Kent selectman
and one of two town leaders to vote the plaque down. "To disparage any one ethnic group
is just against everything that we stand for here."
How would Ms. Epstein feel if it was one of
her children that had been killed by these
murdering scum?
Epstein noted that other Sept. 11 memorials, like the one at the Pentagon,
don't mention Muslim terrorists, and she said she does not want to alienate
any members of her small and close-knit community.
"We have at least one Muslim family living here with children and it — it would
be just awful to have them see something like that," Epstein told Fox News.
Why? Islam never wants to take
responsibility for the horror that
is inherently found within Islam
and it's holy book, the Koran.
But for Gadiel, it's an important message that he insists be present on
any tribute to his son.
"Muslims have to acknowledge that it was their co-religionists who committed
this act in their name," he said. "I am offended that unlike so many others,
they refuse to acknowledge that it was their people who did this."
They will never acknolwedge that it was
their fellow Muslims that did this on 9/11.
That would unheard of for Islam or most
Muslims. Islam offends me. We can rest
easy in knowing that if this memorial ever
does get bulit with such words inscribed,
CAIR and the ISNA would be right there,
ready to start litigations and threats against
the town for erecting such a truthful
memorial. Islam has never been asble to handle
the truth.
Hat tip: Bare Naked Islam
KENT, Conn. — Peter Gadiel wants everyone to remember his son, James,
who was killed during the September 11 terrorist attacks.
And he also wants people to remember how he died: "Murdered by Muslim terrorists."
Heroes to many Muslims
in England.
For Gadiel, any tribute to his son would be woefully incomplete
without those words.
"I think it's important, because I think there's a nationwide effort to suppress
the identity of the people who were involved in the attacks,"
Gadiel told Fox News.
Eight years ago, 23-year-old James Gadiel worked for Cantor Fitzgerald on the
103rd floor of the World Trade Center. He died when a hijacked plane
crashed into the North Tower.
For years, Gadiel's hometown of Kent, Conn., has wanted to honor the
young man with a memorial plaque next to its town hall. But the tribute
has hit a snag because James' father wants to include the phrase,
"Murdered by Muslim terrorists," under his son's name.
For Peter Gadiel, it is a central fact of the Sept. 11 attacks that is often left out.
"It isn't just overlooked, it's suppressed," Gadiel said. "It's simply wrong to
imply that people just died. The buildings didn't just collapse,
they didn't just fall down — they were attacked by people with a
specific identity, a specific purpose."
Town officials call the phrase too controversial for a small town memorial,
and they recently voted against erecting the plaque if Gadiel insists on the language.
"We perceive ourselves as a very warm, loving town," said Ruth Epstein, a Kent selectman
and one of two town leaders to vote the plaque down. "To disparage any one ethnic group
is just against everything that we stand for here."
How would Ms. Epstein feel if it was one of
her children that had been killed by these
murdering scum?
Epstein noted that other Sept. 11 memorials, like the one at the Pentagon,
don't mention Muslim terrorists, and she said she does not want to alienate
any members of her small and close-knit community.
"We have at least one Muslim family living here with children and it — it would
be just awful to have them see something like that," Epstein told Fox News.
Why? Islam never wants to take
responsibility for the horror that
is inherently found within Islam
and it's holy book, the Koran.
But for Gadiel, it's an important message that he insists be present on
any tribute to his son.
"Muslims have to acknowledge that it was their co-religionists who committed
this act in their name," he said. "I am offended that unlike so many others,
they refuse to acknowledge that it was their people who did this."
They will never acknolwedge that it was
their fellow Muslims that did this on 9/11.
That would unheard of for Islam or most
Muslims. Islam offends me. We can rest
easy in knowing that if this memorial ever
does get bulit with such words inscribed,
CAIR and the ISNA would be right there,
ready to start litigations and threats against
the town for erecting such a truthful
memorial. Islam has never been asble to handle
the truth.
Tingbjerg: one neighborhood’s nightmare - A look at our future here in the United States??
Tingbjerg: one neighborhood’s nightmare - Rights.no, Human Rights Service
There are many Tingbjerg's across
Europe. The real one here is in
Denmark.What is happening here
is taking place throughout Europe and
England. This is what happens when
immigration is left wide open by
politicians and those who scream for
diversity and multiculturalism. Is
this what we want for America?
Is this what we want our children
to have to live and through? Our
current administration would most
likley think this is just great. This
is NOT what I want for my children.
http://www.rights.no/publisher/publisher.asp?id=59&tekstid=2891
There are many Tingbjerg's across
Europe. The real one here is in
Denmark.What is happening here
is taking place throughout Europe and
England. This is what happens when
immigration is left wide open by
politicians and those who scream for
diversity and multiculturalism. Is
this what we want for America?
Is this what we want our children
to have to live and through? Our
current administration would most
likley think this is just great. This
is NOT what I want for my children.
http://www.rights.no/publisher/publisher.asp?id=59&tekstid=2891
"It's a Great Big Tax."Democratic Congressman John Dingell (D-MI) on Cap and Trade
Dem's Cap and Trade Bill Is a 3.6 Trillion Dollar Gas Tax Too - Columns - American Issues Project
Here is some more good news on
Cap and Trade from the democrats.
It just keeps on getting better. At
this rate we will not even have any
change left in our pockets. I am
feeling so warm and fuzzy from all
this 'hope and change' Obama has
ushered in for us Americans
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/blogs/columns/archive/2009/10/27/dem-s-cap-and-trade-bill-is-a-3-6-trillion-dollar-gas-tax-too.aspx
Here is some more good news on
Cap and Trade from the democrats.
It just keeps on getting better. At
this rate we will not even have any
change left in our pockets. I am
feeling so warm and fuzzy from all
this 'hope and change' Obama has
ushered in for us Americans
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/blogs/columns/archive/2009/10/27/dem-s-cap-and-trade-bill-is-a-3-6-trillion-dollar-gas-tax-too.aspx
Now an apostate prisoner back in Ohio: Rifqa Bary is being cut off from her own life. She may end up paying with her very life.
Labels:
Islam,
Islamic honor killings,
Islamic Subversion in America,
Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam)
Rifqa Bary returns to Ohio, judge restricts her phone and Internet use
From Jihad Watch
So Rifqa is now back in Ohio.
Her life is in even more danger.
Those in charge of her well being
and safety are just playing into the
hands of Islam and Shariah Law.
I would call her a prisoner of Shariah law.
Her phone and internet use will be
monitored by Franklin County
Children Services Division. I am
sure they are well educated in
Islam, Shariah Law and honor
killings. They will know what
warning signs to look for.CAIR,
the ISNA will right there to help
Franklin County out. Rifqa Bary
may die at the hands of Islam.
If so, will the blame be laid where
it needs to be? What do you think?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/rifqa-bary-returns-to-ohio-judge-restricts-her-phone-and-internet-use.html
From Jihad Watch
So Rifqa is now back in Ohio.
Her life is in even more danger.
Those in charge of her well being
and safety are just playing into the
hands of Islam and Shariah Law.
I would call her a prisoner of Shariah law.
Her phone and internet use will be
monitored by Franklin County
Children Services Division. I am
sure they are well educated in
Islam, Shariah Law and honor
killings. They will know what
warning signs to look for.CAIR,
the ISNA will right there to help
Franklin County out. Rifqa Bary
may die at the hands of Islam.
If so, will the blame be laid where
it needs to be? What do you think?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/rifqa-bary-returns-to-ohio-judge-restricts-her-phone-and-internet-use.html
Maybe Joe has done something most other politicians have not; Read the damn health care bill!!
Labels:
Democrats,
Health Care Plan,
Independent
Joe Lieberman: I'll filibuster Harry Reid's plan - Manu Raju - POLITICO.com
I like Joe Lieberman but I am not
crazy about his politics. We all know
it is impossible to please everyone but
bravo to him for taking a stand that
few have the balls to take, just yet.
Reid, Pelosi, Obama do not have our
best interests at heart. They only
want our cash to fuel their socialistic
agenda.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
I like Joe Lieberman but I am not
crazy about his politics. We all know
it is impossible to please everyone but
bravo to him for taking a stand that
few have the balls to take, just yet.
Reid, Pelosi, Obama do not have our
best interests at heart. They only
want our cash to fuel their socialistic
agenda.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
A reminder that the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize is not always about who deserves it the most. Al Gore most certainly did not when he was awarded it for his global warming travesty.
Labels:
Fallen Heroes,
Holocaust,
Irena Sendler,
Nazi Germany,
WWII
A friend sent this to me and I have
tried to build it into a post for all
to read. With Obama receiving the
Nobel Peace Prize one does not have
to look too far back to past winners
who did not deserve this award. Who
do you think should have gotten the
award back then? Lest we forget.
Thanks to Jon Alva Murphy for
sending this to me.
Irena Sendler
There recently was a death of a 98 year-old lady named Irena. During WWII, Irena, got permission to work in the Warsaw Ghetto, as a Plumbing/Sewer specialist. She had an 'ulterior motive' ... She KNEW what the Nazi's plans were for the Jews, (being German.) Irena smuggled infants out in the bottom of the tool box she carried and she carried in the back of her truck a burlap sack, (for larger kids..) She also had a dog in the back that she trained to bark when the Nazi soldiers let her in and out of the ghetto. The soldiers of course wanted nothing to do with the dog and the barking covered the kids/infants noises.. During her time of doing this, she managed to smuggle out and save 2500 kids/infants. She was caught, and the Nazi's broke both her legs, arms and beat her severely. Irena kept a record of the names of all the kids she smuggled out and kept them in a glass jar, buried under a tree in her back yard. After the war, she tried to locate any parents that may have survived it and reunited the family. Most had been gassed. Those kids she helped got placed into foster family homes or adopted.
Last year Irena was up for the Nobel Peace Prize ... She was not selected.
Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.
Powerful message, especially the "cartoon.." Let us never forget!
63 years later
In MEMORIAM - 63 YEARS LATER
Past and Future Generations.
Irena Sendler:
She saw the future and saved
2500 children while she
was living with one foot
in HELL.
Holocaust Reminder for us all.
tried to build it into a post for all
to read. With Obama receiving the
Nobel Peace Prize one does not have
to look too far back to past winners
who did not deserve this award. Who
do you think should have gotten the
award back then? Lest we forget.
Thanks to Jon Alva Murphy for
sending this to me.
Irena Sendler
There recently was a death of a 98 year-old lady named Irena. During WWII, Irena, got permission to work in the Warsaw Ghetto, as a Plumbing/Sewer specialist. She had an 'ulterior motive' ... She KNEW what the Nazi's plans were for the Jews, (being German.) Irena smuggled infants out in the bottom of the tool box she carried and she carried in the back of her truck a burlap sack, (for larger kids..) She also had a dog in the back that she trained to bark when the Nazi soldiers let her in and out of the ghetto. The soldiers of course wanted nothing to do with the dog and the barking covered the kids/infants noises.. During her time of doing this, she managed to smuggle out and save 2500 kids/infants. She was caught, and the Nazi's broke both her legs, arms and beat her severely. Irena kept a record of the names of all the kids she smuggled out and kept them in a glass jar, buried under a tree in her back yard. After the war, she tried to locate any parents that may have survived it and reunited the family. Most had been gassed. Those kids she helped got placed into foster family homes or adopted.
Last year Irena was up for the Nobel Peace Prize ... She was not selected.
Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.
Powerful message, especially the "cartoon.." Let us never forget!
63 years later
In MEMORIAM - 63 YEARS LATER
Past and Future Generations.
Irena Sendler:
She saw the future and saved
2500 children while she
was living with one foot
in HELL.
Holocaust Reminder for us all.
No safety for Rifqa Bary. She is likely to become a victim of an Islamic Honor Killing.
Labels:
Islamic Subversion in America,
Shariah Law,
Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam),
Women under Islam
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
I am honored to post a feed
here by Dymphna, from Gates
of Vienna. Honor Killings: a
touchy subject among Muslims in
North America. They have every
right to be sensitive about this
nasty bit of Honor Killings that happens
around the globe, no matter where
Islam is. Note the number of confirmed
honor killing in North America from
Phyllis Chesler's most recent post. Many
of these are misscovered as domestic
disputes. Seldom is the real truth told
about such Honor Killing attacks. They are
smoothed over, white washed by numerous Islamic/Muslim organizations so that these
horrendous family murders are made to
seem innocuous at best. Then it us westerners
who do not understand how this works with
Islam and Shariah law. Read through this article
and when you get to the study by
John D. Guandol notice the tie in with so many
vile, and violent Muslim organizations. Also,
Honor Killings are one of the ways that Islam
spreads 'Taqiya' or using deception and
lies to spread Islam. The socials services have
dropped the ball and now Rifqa is in
grave danger once again.
Please pray for her safety and life!
“No Reason to Believe Rifqa Wouldn’t Be Safe with Her Parents”
by Dymphna: Gates of Vienna
Phyllis Chesler’s most recent post lays bare the MSM’s refusal to accept the reality of honor killings in North America. She gives a partial list of incidents by city and date:
Toronto (07)
Dallas (08)
Atlanta (08)
Oak Forest, Illinois (08)
Alexandria (08)
Buffalo (09)
Kingston, Canada (09)
and then moves on the most recent outrage in Phoenix.
Iraqi-born Faleh Hassan Almaleki is a foul killer on the lam. Just last week, he ran over his 20-year-old daughter, Noor, with a car because she was “too western.”
There is also the double killing in Dallas (in 2008, above) by Yaser Said. He’s still missing, too, and it may be that both murderers are being protected by Islamists in the U.S.
Ms. Chesler’s complaint is not only that the news coverage is spotty, it is also wrong. These are not domestic disputes:
When it comes to Islam and honor killings, political, anthropological, historical, and psychological information is rarely brought to bear on the single story. Suddenly, completely out of context, one lone individual or one lone family just up and murders their daughter or their sister. No rhyme or reason to it. Case closed.
A good case in point is the most recent one:
The local Arizona media have certainly covered this attempted honor killing and they’ve quoted experts who’ve said things as strange as the local Dallas media experts did in the Said case (It was not an honor killing, honor killings have nothing to do with Islam or with Muslims); as strange as the Florida media experts did in the case of Rifqa Bary, the teenage apostate runaway whom a Florida judge has just sent back to Ohio (She is an unbalanced, rebellious teenager who only imagines that she has been abused; she is in no danger at all).
Yes, that brings us to Rifqa Bary. She is indeed being sent back to Ohio. Ms Chesler notes:
Although the Bary case was decided narrowly, as a strictly jurisdictional decision, the local Florida media downplayed the danger that former Muslims face when they leave Islam-and the specific danger that young immigrant, often Muslim daughters face when they refuse to obey cultural and religious expectations. Hopefully, the Ohio judge will keep all this in mind.
And by the way: In custody cases (and Bary’s case is just that), judges have the discretion to listen to the wishes of minor children as young as 12. Bary is 17 years old-certainly old enough to know where danger lies.
Her mention of the case reminded me to go looking for the latest news. What I found did not reassure me.
- - - - - - - - -
From the Columbia Dispatch:
Authorities aren’t saying exactly how or when Fathima Rifqa Bary is returning to Ohio.
But as of yesterday, it’s official: The 17-year-old religious runaway is to be transferred into the care of Franklin County Children Services. She will live with a foster family on her return.
It’s unclear whether the girl, who goes by Rifqa, will be at a hearing Tuesday in Franklin County Juvenile Court. The court is handling a case that will determine where she will live in Columbus.
Rifqa’s immigration status also remains unknown to the public. She is a native of Sri Lanka, and an attorney in the Florida case raised questions about whether she’s in the country legally.
Rifqa said her father threatened to kill her for her conversion from Islam to Christianity, prompting her to run away to Orlando in July.
Mohamed Bary has denied the allegations, and a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation found no credible threat to her safety.
Which only goes to prove that the media is not the only one with blinders on. The FDLE investigation was a farce.
The Center for Security Policy consulted with John D. Guandol, asking him to examine the investigator’s report. Guandol has more than twelve years with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and in his estimation, the FDLE rated an F.
The New English Review’s Jerry Gordon, who has been following the Bary case, has a good summary of Guandol’s findings:
This is a statement of facts regarding this matter:
There are requirements in Islamic Law regarding someone who deserts Islam.
The Muslim Brotherhood’s objective is the implementation of Islamic Law in the United States.
Rifqa Bary has left Islam and become a Christian.
Rifqa Bary has made statements to FDLE officials and others that her parents have threatened to kill her because she has left Islam.
The Barys appear to be adherent to Islamic Law.
The Barys appear at an interview with two Muslim Brotherhood representatives doing business as CAIR, a group known to be hostile towards the United States which is also an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorism financing trial in U.S. history.
The Muslim Brotherhood supports the killing of Muslims who publicly leave Islam.
It is my professional opinion that sufficient Probable Cause exists to believe that Ms Bary’s concerns for her personal safety are based in a realistic and factual understanding of her situation, and, therefore, a further criminal investigation is warranted.
The MSM continued to wear blinders about this case. I was surprised at the time, when I read Newsweek’s naive statement in their coverage of the case:
Muslim scholars say that “in Islam, there’s no such thing as an honor killing for apostasy.”
Anyone familiar with the methods of taqiyya could see right through the careful wording. Honor killings are carried out by families against members who shame them. But the killing of an apostate by others has nothing to do with restoring “honor”. It is simply what devout Islamists do to those who leave. Thus those “Muslim scholars” could lie with a straight face.
Newsweek, blind and deaf, carried on its own anti-Rifqa Bary campaign in that story. Extremist Christians bad, poor Muslims picked on by evil fundamentalists.
Ms. Chesler made this point previously in an interview in September, when she pointed out the equation of honor killings with domestic violence:
“When a husband murders a wife or daughter in the United States and Canada, too often law enforcement chalks the matter up to domestic violence,” Chesler says.
But domestic violence cases bear little resemblance to Muslim honor killings, which tend to be premeditated and involve several family members of the victim, usually a young girl or woman.
Young Muslim women are murdered by family members for a variety of reasons, Chesler explains in a recent essay in the Middle East Quarterly - anything from having a non-Muslim boyfriend to leaving Islam.
The frequent argument made by Muslim advocacy organizations that honor killings have nothing to do with Islam and that it is discriminatory to differentiate between honor killings and domestic violence is wrong,” Chesler says.
It’s bad enough when they don’t differentiate, but what is to be done when those in charge endanger the lives they are supposed to protect? Judge Dawson has sent Rifqa back to Ohio. The Columbus Dispatch says she will be in foster care. But the head of the Ohio county's Children's Services seems to say the opposite:
The Florida Department of Children and Families, which has had custody of Rifqa since August, would not release details about her trip back to Ohio for safety reasons. The state of Florida will pay for the trip.
Eric Fenner, executive director of Franklin County Children Services, would not comment because of a gag order. He has said he has no reason to believe Rifqa wouldn’t be safe with her parents.
As a former foster care supervisor, I don’t understand why Mr. Fenner hasn’t been slapped with a contempt of court citation for breaking the gag order to begin with. Just in giving his opinion that he has “no reason to believe Rifqa wouldn’t be safe with her parents” he violated the judge’s order.
What is even more alarming is that he believes this. No young woman of her age, having alleged the abuse she claims, should ever be returned to her home. She is too old not to have her word carry equal weight with that of her family. Any competent social worker would place her in a group home to start catching up on her school work and beginning an intensive program of Life Skills Training to prepare her for being on her own when she turns eighteen.
In Rifqa’s case, that’s about ten months away. It is the worst kind of case work practice to return a young woman at her stage of life to her home in these questionable circumstances.
My guess is that Ohio doesn’t want the expense of her care, either. I sure do hope the Judge and guardian ad litem are looking out for her. It’s obvious that Social Services isn’t.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/10/no-reason-to-believe-rifqa-wouldnt-be.html#readfurther
I am honored to post a feed
here by Dymphna, from Gates
of Vienna. Honor Killings: a
touchy subject among Muslims in
North America. They have every
right to be sensitive about this
nasty bit of Honor Killings that happens
around the globe, no matter where
Islam is. Note the number of confirmed
honor killing in North America from
Phyllis Chesler's most recent post. Many
of these are misscovered as domestic
disputes. Seldom is the real truth told
about such Honor Killing attacks. They are
smoothed over, white washed by numerous Islamic/Muslim organizations so that these
horrendous family murders are made to
seem innocuous at best. Then it us westerners
who do not understand how this works with
Islam and Shariah law. Read through this article
and when you get to the study by
John D. Guandol notice the tie in with so many
vile, and violent Muslim organizations. Also,
Honor Killings are one of the ways that Islam
spreads 'Taqiya' or using deception and
lies to spread Islam. The socials services have
dropped the ball and now Rifqa is in
grave danger once again.
Please pray for her safety and life!
“No Reason to Believe Rifqa Wouldn’t Be Safe with Her Parents”
by Dymphna: Gates of Vienna
Phyllis Chesler’s most recent post lays bare the MSM’s refusal to accept the reality of honor killings in North America. She gives a partial list of incidents by city and date:
Toronto (07)
Dallas (08)
Atlanta (08)
Oak Forest, Illinois (08)
Alexandria (08)
Buffalo (09)
Kingston, Canada (09)
and then moves on the most recent outrage in Phoenix.
Iraqi-born Faleh Hassan Almaleki is a foul killer on the lam. Just last week, he ran over his 20-year-old daughter, Noor, with a car because she was “too western.”
There is also the double killing in Dallas (in 2008, above) by Yaser Said. He’s still missing, too, and it may be that both murderers are being protected by Islamists in the U.S.
Ms. Chesler’s complaint is not only that the news coverage is spotty, it is also wrong. These are not domestic disputes:
When it comes to Islam and honor killings, political, anthropological, historical, and psychological information is rarely brought to bear on the single story. Suddenly, completely out of context, one lone individual or one lone family just up and murders their daughter or their sister. No rhyme or reason to it. Case closed.
A good case in point is the most recent one:
The local Arizona media have certainly covered this attempted honor killing and they’ve quoted experts who’ve said things as strange as the local Dallas media experts did in the Said case (It was not an honor killing, honor killings have nothing to do with Islam or with Muslims); as strange as the Florida media experts did in the case of Rifqa Bary, the teenage apostate runaway whom a Florida judge has just sent back to Ohio (She is an unbalanced, rebellious teenager who only imagines that she has been abused; she is in no danger at all).
Yes, that brings us to Rifqa Bary. She is indeed being sent back to Ohio. Ms Chesler notes:
Although the Bary case was decided narrowly, as a strictly jurisdictional decision, the local Florida media downplayed the danger that former Muslims face when they leave Islam-and the specific danger that young immigrant, often Muslim daughters face when they refuse to obey cultural and religious expectations. Hopefully, the Ohio judge will keep all this in mind.
And by the way: In custody cases (and Bary’s case is just that), judges have the discretion to listen to the wishes of minor children as young as 12. Bary is 17 years old-certainly old enough to know where danger lies.
Her mention of the case reminded me to go looking for the latest news. What I found did not reassure me.
- - - - - - - - -
From the Columbia Dispatch:
Authorities aren’t saying exactly how or when Fathima Rifqa Bary is returning to Ohio.
But as of yesterday, it’s official: The 17-year-old religious runaway is to be transferred into the care of Franklin County Children Services. She will live with a foster family on her return.
It’s unclear whether the girl, who goes by Rifqa, will be at a hearing Tuesday in Franklin County Juvenile Court. The court is handling a case that will determine where she will live in Columbus.
Rifqa’s immigration status also remains unknown to the public. She is a native of Sri Lanka, and an attorney in the Florida case raised questions about whether she’s in the country legally.
Rifqa said her father threatened to kill her for her conversion from Islam to Christianity, prompting her to run away to Orlando in July.
Mohamed Bary has denied the allegations, and a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation found no credible threat to her safety.
Which only goes to prove that the media is not the only one with blinders on. The FDLE investigation was a farce.
The Center for Security Policy consulted with John D. Guandol, asking him to examine the investigator’s report. Guandol has more than twelve years with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and in his estimation, the FDLE rated an F.
The New English Review’s Jerry Gordon, who has been following the Bary case, has a good summary of Guandol’s findings:
This is a statement of facts regarding this matter:
There are requirements in Islamic Law regarding someone who deserts Islam.
The Muslim Brotherhood’s objective is the implementation of Islamic Law in the United States.
Rifqa Bary has left Islam and become a Christian.
Rifqa Bary has made statements to FDLE officials and others that her parents have threatened to kill her because she has left Islam.
The Barys appear to be adherent to Islamic Law.
The Barys appear at an interview with two Muslim Brotherhood representatives doing business as CAIR, a group known to be hostile towards the United States which is also an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorism financing trial in U.S. history.
The Muslim Brotherhood supports the killing of Muslims who publicly leave Islam.
It is my professional opinion that sufficient Probable Cause exists to believe that Ms Bary’s concerns for her personal safety are based in a realistic and factual understanding of her situation, and, therefore, a further criminal investigation is warranted.
The MSM continued to wear blinders about this case. I was surprised at the time, when I read Newsweek’s naive statement in their coverage of the case:
Muslim scholars say that “in Islam, there’s no such thing as an honor killing for apostasy.”
Anyone familiar with the methods of taqiyya could see right through the careful wording. Honor killings are carried out by families against members who shame them. But the killing of an apostate by others has nothing to do with restoring “honor”. It is simply what devout Islamists do to those who leave. Thus those “Muslim scholars” could lie with a straight face.
Newsweek, blind and deaf, carried on its own anti-Rifqa Bary campaign in that story. Extremist Christians bad, poor Muslims picked on by evil fundamentalists.
Ms. Chesler made this point previously in an interview in September, when she pointed out the equation of honor killings with domestic violence:
“When a husband murders a wife or daughter in the United States and Canada, too often law enforcement chalks the matter up to domestic violence,” Chesler says.
But domestic violence cases bear little resemblance to Muslim honor killings, which tend to be premeditated and involve several family members of the victim, usually a young girl or woman.
Young Muslim women are murdered by family members for a variety of reasons, Chesler explains in a recent essay in the Middle East Quarterly - anything from having a non-Muslim boyfriend to leaving Islam.
The frequent argument made by Muslim advocacy organizations that honor killings have nothing to do with Islam and that it is discriminatory to differentiate between honor killings and domestic violence is wrong,” Chesler says.
It’s bad enough when they don’t differentiate, but what is to be done when those in charge endanger the lives they are supposed to protect? Judge Dawson has sent Rifqa back to Ohio. The Columbus Dispatch says she will be in foster care. But the head of the Ohio county's Children's Services seems to say the opposite:
The Florida Department of Children and Families, which has had custody of Rifqa since August, would not release details about her trip back to Ohio for safety reasons. The state of Florida will pay for the trip.
Eric Fenner, executive director of Franklin County Children Services, would not comment because of a gag order. He has said he has no reason to believe Rifqa wouldn’t be safe with her parents.
As a former foster care supervisor, I don’t understand why Mr. Fenner hasn’t been slapped with a contempt of court citation for breaking the gag order to begin with. Just in giving his opinion that he has “no reason to believe Rifqa wouldn’t be safe with her parents” he violated the judge’s order.
What is even more alarming is that he believes this. No young woman of her age, having alleged the abuse she claims, should ever be returned to her home. She is too old not to have her word carry equal weight with that of her family. Any competent social worker would place her in a group home to start catching up on her school work and beginning an intensive program of Life Skills Training to prepare her for being on her own when she turns eighteen.
In Rifqa’s case, that’s about ten months away. It is the worst kind of case work practice to return a young woman at her stage of life to her home in these questionable circumstances.
My guess is that Ohio doesn’t want the expense of her care, either. I sure do hope the Judge and guardian ad litem are looking out for her. It’s obvious that Social Services isn’t.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/10/no-reason-to-believe-rifqa-wouldnt-be.html#readfurther
Snooper Report: 'If you voted for Obama you have some explaining to do."
Labels:
Liar and thief in the White House,
Obama.
http://www.snooperreport.com/snooper-report/2009/11/1/for-the-newcomers-at-the-snooper-report.html
I have copied this from Snooper Report.
The links are here are. I like a person
who tells it like it is. There is even
something here for you"Loyal Democrats."
The feed is a few days old. I have been
out for the last couple of days with some
version of the Flu. I hope you enjoy this!
For The Newcomers At The Snooper Report:
NOTE: This will be at the top of the page until November 1, 2009
For all of you that come by this way unannounced, search engines or email accounts, or just passing through, I want all the Newcomers to know that you are welcome here. I also want you to know one thing...
Obama is a liar, a jerk and bumbling idiot. If you voted for him, YOU have some explaining to do.
Obama wants to give the Sovereignty of this Nation over to the United Nations. Why? Because he is a bumbling idiot. That's why.
Obama wants to perhaps send Troops to Afghanistan only after their run off elections in the politics of Afghanistan will be taken care of November 7th. Why? Because he is a lying ass.
Obama wants to give the Taliban a position in the Aghanistan government. Why? Because he is a complete and total jerk.
Obama says that all Republicans do what they are told to do and doesn't tell anyone that the Democrats do what they are told to do. Why? Because he is a blithering dolt.
Obama says that the United States Constitution doesn't "go far enough" for "social justice". Why? Because he wouldn't know what a Constitutional Issue was if it bit him in his UNNATURALIZED CITIZEN'S ass. That's why.
At this point, I would like to inform the Newscomers here at The Snooper Report one more thing...
Obama is a liar, a jerk and bumbling idiot. If you voted for him, YOU have some explaining to do.
I want Obama to FAIL and FAIL HARD in all avenues he so chooses to take. Why? Because he is a blithering idiot. I want him to FAIL and FAIL HARD. Why? Because the country will last longer when Obama FAILS and FAILS HARD. That's why.
Obama loves George Soros. Why? Because BOTH are Marxist scumbags. That's why.
So, just so all Newcomers will know in all things at The Snooper Report:
Obama is a liar, a jerk and bumbling idiot. If you voted for him, YOU have some explaining to do.
The Snooper Report. Join us as we Take Our Country Back.
Sic vis pacem para bellum
Fight Accordingly
Update on Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 11:31PM by Mark "Snooper" Harvey
This is REALLY interesting. I wonder if someone has already read this piece...
Purple Avenger at Ace: WaPo's Ruth Marcus: Obama admin "dumb", "weak", "small", "childish", "petty", "Nixonian"
If a reliable liberal like Marcus isn't going to buy in and drink the KoolAid, one wonders what the hell the White house is thinking with this current campaign to shun Fox. They're playing to the 20% dead-ender Obama zombies, and the middle (already fleeing Obama in droves) is sitting there wondering WTF? Are they on drugs?
OOPS!
Update on Friday, October 23, 2009 at 9:21AM by Mark "Snooper" Harvey
I decided to add this "really old" I Am Loyal Democrat and we can also include I Am Loyal Democrat In Drag.
In Michelle Malkin's CLASSIC item in regards to the suing Imams (see two posts below) , this was one of the replies and it will go down in the Wall Of Fame in Blogdom!
PRICELESS!!
I Am A Loyal Democrat
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will take the side of any entity that declares itself to be an enemy of the United States. I will consider any action taken by my government to be improper, and defend the position of any nation that opposes my own. I will not stand by while the concepts of freedom and liberty are allowed to infect the thoughts of repressed peoples. Rather, I will combat such efforts and convince the slaves of dictatorships that they have it better than anyone else.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will tell all Americans that they had 9/11 coming as retribution for all of our evil deeds inflicted upon members of the most peaceful religion on earth. I will work to undermine any effort to destroy the Islamic tidal wave of terror that has vowed to wash onto our beaches. I will strive to weaken our military as it attempts to carry out its mission overseas. I shall encourage total surrender to any foe that threatens us.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I shall stir up domestic unrest by separating my fellow citizens into groups, and then I will encourage each group to distrust the next, and convince each that I am their one true friend. Through this magnificent deception, I will rule them all. I will convince minorities that they are inferior, and that they need my special help to succeed in life. Once I have them suspicious of others and fully demoralized, I will keep them down, and make their every gain dependent on what I decide to let them do. I shall oppress minorites worse than any avowed racist could ever hope to.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will make every effort to criticize people that achieve, to hinder those that aspire, and ridicule those that display self-worth. In spite of my lack of personal merit, I will elevate myself in the eyes of others by bringing people with actual character down. I will prey on people's envy of others' success, and I will gain undeserved power as a result. I will take from those that earn until they lose the motivation to build up mankind any longer.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will promote the tyranny of socialism, and crush the only economic system that has advanced mankind. And when we are all financially destitute and controlled by an omnipotent government, I shall laugh at the destruction I have wrought, for I truly hate mankind.
I am Loyal Democrat.
http://www.snooperreport.com/snooper-report/2009/11/1/for-the-newcomers-at-the-snooper-report.html
I have copied this from Snooper Report.
The links are here are. I like a person
who tells it like it is. There is even
something here for you"Loyal Democrats."
The feed is a few days old. I have been
out for the last couple of days with some
version of the Flu. I hope you enjoy this!
For The Newcomers At The Snooper Report:
NOTE: This will be at the top of the page until November 1, 2009
For all of you that come by this way unannounced, search engines or email accounts, or just passing through, I want all the Newcomers to know that you are welcome here. I also want you to know one thing...
Obama is a liar, a jerk and bumbling idiot. If you voted for him, YOU have some explaining to do.
Obama wants to give the Sovereignty of this Nation over to the United Nations. Why? Because he is a bumbling idiot. That's why.
Obama wants to perhaps send Troops to Afghanistan only after their run off elections in the politics of Afghanistan will be taken care of November 7th. Why? Because he is a lying ass.
Obama wants to give the Taliban a position in the Aghanistan government. Why? Because he is a complete and total jerk.
Obama says that all Republicans do what they are told to do and doesn't tell anyone that the Democrats do what they are told to do. Why? Because he is a blithering dolt.
Obama says that the United States Constitution doesn't "go far enough" for "social justice". Why? Because he wouldn't know what a Constitutional Issue was if it bit him in his UNNATURALIZED CITIZEN'S ass. That's why.
At this point, I would like to inform the Newscomers here at The Snooper Report one more thing...
Obama is a liar, a jerk and bumbling idiot. If you voted for him, YOU have some explaining to do.
I want Obama to FAIL and FAIL HARD in all avenues he so chooses to take. Why? Because he is a blithering idiot. I want him to FAIL and FAIL HARD. Why? Because the country will last longer when Obama FAILS and FAILS HARD. That's why.
Obama loves George Soros. Why? Because BOTH are Marxist scumbags. That's why.
So, just so all Newcomers will know in all things at The Snooper Report:
Obama is a liar, a jerk and bumbling idiot. If you voted for him, YOU have some explaining to do.
The Snooper Report. Join us as we Take Our Country Back.
Sic vis pacem para bellum
Fight Accordingly
Update on Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 11:31PM by Mark "Snooper" Harvey
This is REALLY interesting. I wonder if someone has already read this piece...
Purple Avenger at Ace: WaPo's Ruth Marcus: Obama admin "dumb", "weak", "small", "childish", "petty", "Nixonian"
If a reliable liberal like Marcus isn't going to buy in and drink the KoolAid, one wonders what the hell the White house is thinking with this current campaign to shun Fox. They're playing to the 20% dead-ender Obama zombies, and the middle (already fleeing Obama in droves) is sitting there wondering WTF? Are they on drugs?
OOPS!
Update on Friday, October 23, 2009 at 9:21AM by Mark "Snooper" Harvey
I decided to add this "really old" I Am Loyal Democrat and we can also include I Am Loyal Democrat In Drag.
In Michelle Malkin's CLASSIC item in regards to the suing Imams (see two posts below) , this was one of the replies and it will go down in the Wall Of Fame in Blogdom!
PRICELESS!!
I Am A Loyal Democrat
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will take the side of any entity that declares itself to be an enemy of the United States. I will consider any action taken by my government to be improper, and defend the position of any nation that opposes my own. I will not stand by while the concepts of freedom and liberty are allowed to infect the thoughts of repressed peoples. Rather, I will combat such efforts and convince the slaves of dictatorships that they have it better than anyone else.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will tell all Americans that they had 9/11 coming as retribution for all of our evil deeds inflicted upon members of the most peaceful religion on earth. I will work to undermine any effort to destroy the Islamic tidal wave of terror that has vowed to wash onto our beaches. I will strive to weaken our military as it attempts to carry out its mission overseas. I shall encourage total surrender to any foe that threatens us.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I shall stir up domestic unrest by separating my fellow citizens into groups, and then I will encourage each group to distrust the next, and convince each that I am their one true friend. Through this magnificent deception, I will rule them all. I will convince minorities that they are inferior, and that they need my special help to succeed in life. Once I have them suspicious of others and fully demoralized, I will keep them down, and make their every gain dependent on what I decide to let them do. I shall oppress minorites worse than any avowed racist could ever hope to.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will make every effort to criticize people that achieve, to hinder those that aspire, and ridicule those that display self-worth. In spite of my lack of personal merit, I will elevate myself in the eyes of others by bringing people with actual character down. I will prey on people's envy of others' success, and I will gain undeserved power as a result. I will take from those that earn until they lose the motivation to build up mankind any longer.
I am Loyal Democrat.
I will promote the tyranny of socialism, and crush the only economic system that has advanced mankind. And when we are all financially destitute and controlled by an omnipotent government, I shall laugh at the destruction I have wrought, for I truly hate mankind.
I am Loyal Democrat.
http://www.snooperreport.com/snooper-report/2009/11/1/for-the-newcomers-at-the-snooper-report.html
Hope and Change European Union style:Any criticism of Islam will be a hate crime. I think Islam is hate crime. Don't like that? I make no apologies.
Labels:
Global Islamic Subversion,
Islamic Subversion in America,
Islamic Subversion in Europe,
Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam),
United Nations
European Union set to outlaw objections to Islamic practices - Jihad Watch
"On April 2, the European Parliament passed the
"directive on implementing the principle of equal
treatment between persons irrespective of religion
or belief, disability, age or sexual orientation," 363 votes
to 226. The directive applies to social protection and
health care, social benefits, education and access to goods
and services, including housing. American citizens and
companies doing business in Europe are also required
to adhere to it."
I am sure Muslism extremists
would never think to use this
law, if passed against anyone
who might level any criticism
against Islam or Muslims. This
is the next step in the death of
free speech. After this is passed
everyone will drink more kool-aid
and live in peace and harmony.
Muslim, Islamic history is watered
by the blood of millions of innocent
victims that died, trying to peacefully
co-exist with Islam. How can you
have peace with an ideology that thinks
everyone, everything is inferior to Islam?
Peace with Islam? Is is just not possible.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/european-union-set-to-outlaw-objections-to-islamic-practices.html
"On April 2, the European Parliament passed the
"directive on implementing the principle of equal
treatment between persons irrespective of religion
or belief, disability, age or sexual orientation," 363 votes
to 226. The directive applies to social protection and
health care, social benefits, education and access to goods
and services, including housing. American citizens and
companies doing business in Europe are also required
to adhere to it."
I am sure Muslism extremists
would never think to use this
law, if passed against anyone
who might level any criticism
against Islam or Muslims. This
is the next step in the death of
free speech. After this is passed
everyone will drink more kool-aid
and live in peace and harmony.
Muslim, Islamic history is watered
by the blood of millions of innocent
victims that died, trying to peacefully
co-exist with Islam. How can you
have peace with an ideology that thinks
everyone, everything is inferior to Islam?
Peace with Islam? Is is just not possible.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/european-union-set-to-outlaw-objections-to-islamic-practices.html
Why don't Jews and Israel want to deal with propaganda? Because it would mean telling the truth about your worst enemy:ISLAM
Labels:
Hasbarah,
Islamofascism,
Israel,
Jews and Islam,
Jihad
American Thinker: Losing Israel
Here is a most timely article
about the problem that Israel faces
with the propaganda empire of the
arabs. I found this hard to read but
Mr.Warner is correct. Israel is in
war that it may find impossible to
win. Israel is trying to fight a nasty,
insidious enemy by being open and
honest, while far from perfect. What
country is? Islam is exposed by its own
holy book, the Koran and Sunna(the
actions, words of Mohammed). Jihad
has been and always will be the answer
for Islam especially when it concerns the
Jews.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/losing_israel_1.html
Here is a most timely article
about the problem that Israel faces
with the propaganda empire of the
arabs. I found this hard to read but
Mr.Warner is correct. Israel is in
war that it may find impossible to
win. Israel is trying to fight a nasty,
insidious enemy by being open and
honest, while far from perfect. What
country is? Islam is exposed by its own
holy book, the Koran and Sunna(the
actions, words of Mohammed). Jihad
has been and always will be the answer
for Islam especially when it concerns the
Jews.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/losing_israel_1.html
The president is working so hard.... on golf and leisure.
American Thinker Blog: A president of leisure
Has there ever been a
president like Barak Hussein
Obama? Umm... No, and let us
hope there is never another
one like him. This has nothing
to do with race, before you start
accusing me of that. I am very tired
of the race card being played by
the MSM and the leftards of this world
like Huffy Po and the Daily Kos. It is
all about the rank and privilege that
this president has slid through life on.
He obviously feels that he and Michelle
are owed this life of leisure and luxury.
Note the comparisons in this feed to his
predecessor, President Bush. I am so glad
Obama has his. Meanwhile, back here up
in the northwest left coast, myself and
many others are trying to find work in a
'jobless' recovery that is just more lies
and deceptions that the left builds it house
upon.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/a_president_of_leisure.html
Has there ever been a
president like Barak Hussein
Obama? Umm... No, and let us
hope there is never another
one like him. This has nothing
to do with race, before you start
accusing me of that. I am very tired
of the race card being played by
the MSM and the leftards of this world
like Huffy Po and the Daily Kos. It is
all about the rank and privilege that
this president has slid through life on.
He obviously feels that he and Michelle
are owed this life of leisure and luxury.
Note the comparisons in this feed to his
predecessor, President Bush. I am so glad
Obama has his. Meanwhile, back here up
in the northwest left coast, myself and
many others are trying to find work in a
'jobless' recovery that is just more lies
and deceptions that the left builds it house
upon.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/a_president_of_leisure.html
Russia gains advantage over dumb Obama and Biden:results of Obama foreign policy of appeasement, groveling and cowardice.
Labels:
Balkans,
Ballistic Missle Defense,
Eastern Europe,
Foreign Policy,
Iran,
Russia
Russia, Iran and the Biden Speech STRATFOR
The Russian advantage from the missteps
of the Obama foreign policy towards
Russia are now coming home to roost.
Now left with no real power to counter
the Russian advantage, Biden gave a
speech that was rife with weakness and
no real response to Russian aggresion.
While the cartoon above comes from an
Israeli news source, it fits Obama's failing
policies of appeasement and playing 'nice'
with our enemies. Reagan understood the
very real threat from the Soviet Union.
Once again, we are not learning from history.
The real price that we will pay for this
administration's failed policies will be felt
long after Obama has left the White House.
That day will be none too soon for this American.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20091026_russia_iran_and_biden_speech
The Russian advantage from the missteps
Russia are now coming home to roost.
Now left with no real power to counter
the Russian advantage, Biden gave a
speech that was rife with weakness and
no real response to Russian aggresion.
While the cartoon above comes from an
Israeli news source, it fits Obama's failing
policies of appeasement and playing 'nice'
with our enemies. Reagan understood the
very real threat from the Soviet Union.
Once again, we are not learning from history.
The real price that we will pay for this
administration's failed policies will be felt
long after Obama has left the White House.
That day will be none too soon for this American.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20091026_russia_iran_and_biden_speech
Of course they do. This is how Islam works, from the inside out. Disgusting.
Labels:
England,
Islamic subversion in England,
Sharia Law,
Stealth Jihad,
Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam)
Daily Express UK News :: Now Muslims demand full Sharia law
Islam will work to undermine
any country where it is allowed
to grow and fester. This ideology
will never be at peace or be compatible
with the the West, religions or other
cultures. It demands to reign supreme
over all. It is is the Koran. Shariah Law
is an oppressive, persecution fueled
part of Islam that kills all freedom of
thought and individualism. Convert or
die is what this comes down to after
all is stripped away.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-Give-us-full-Shariah-law#
Islam will work to undermine
any country where it is allowed
to grow and fester. This ideology
will never be at peace or be compatible
with the the West, religions or other
cultures. It demands to reign supreme
over all. It is is the Koran. Shariah Law
is an oppressive, persecution fueled
part of Islam that kills all freedom of
thought and individualism. Convert or
die is what this comes down to after
all is stripped away.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-Give-us-full-Shariah-law#
On the contrary, we need to give the Iranians positive stimuli."
Labels:
IOC,
Iran,
Iranian Nuclear Program
DEBKAfile - UN team unwelcome in Tehran, Mottaki whittles down overseas enrichment plan
Iran needs more "positive stimuli"
according to Russian officials? I do
not think so. Iran has been given
too much time, too much room to
deal with the West and their illicit
nuclear program. Whatever is 'gained'
by such nonesense as more time and
negotiations will only aid Iran in doing
what it is best at; making the West,
Obama look like the fools that they are.
What did these inspectors expect? A
parade in their honor down the main
street of Tehran?
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6342
Iran needs more "positive stimuli"
according to Russian officials? I do
not think so. Iran has been given
too much time, too much room to
deal with the West and their illicit
nuclear program. Whatever is 'gained'
by such nonesense as more time and
negotiations will only aid Iran in doing
what it is best at; making the West,
Obama look like the fools that they are.
What did these inspectors expect? A
parade in their honor down the main
street of Tehran?
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6342
Rifqa Bary forced to return home: Now she will be in extreme danger.
Fathima Rifqa Bary to return home -- OrlandoSentinel.com
Hat Tip: Atlas Shrugs.
"Rifqa's father, Mohamed Bary, was laughing and giddy
during a brief Friday afternoon phone call with the Orlando
Sentinel. He would not comment, though, citing a gag order."
This is a tragic turn of events. CAIR and
Islam must be overjoyed that they have
turned back the truth with continuous
lies and deception about this brave young
woman. Talk about taqiya in the worst
way possible. Rifqa's father is lying troll.
Link to a video of Ms. Bary's reaction is
here is right below here. My apologies
for not getting this video to work.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=2c360b4e-9109-4a2d-aff2-081454d40203&src=front
An Orange County judge ordered the Florida Department of Children and Families to make arrangements to send Ohio teen runaway Fathima Rifqa Bary back to her home state.
A DCF spokeswoman just confirmed her agency received an order from Circuit Judge Daniel Dawson.
"This order indicates that the Court has relinquished its emergency jurisdiction and orders the Department to arrange the transportation of the child to the proper authorities with Franklin County Children Services in Ohio," spokeswoman Carrie Hoeppner said.
"The Department will proceed with those arrangements. Please understand that the details of the transfer will not be released, to best ensure her safety."
Rifqa's private attorney, John Stemberger, has not returned phone calls seeking comment.
Seventeen-year-old Rifqa has been in Central Florida since mid-July, when she ran away from her Columbus-area home.
Rifqa said she feared her Muslim father would harm or kill her because she converted to Christianity. She sought shelter with husband-and-wife pastors in Orlando, and lived with their family for several weeks.
Rifqa was eventually placed into DCF custody, and the teen remained in foster care while the local court determined her fate.
Investigators in Florida and Ohio said they found no threats against Rifqa.
Last week, Dawson decided Rifqa's case should be handled in Ohio. Rifqa will also be placed into foster care in Ohio.
Rifqa's father, Mohamed Bary, was laughing and giddy during a brief Friday afternoon phone call with the Orlando Sentinel. He would not comment, though, citing a gag order.
Sentinel staff writer Rene Stutzman contributed to this report.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-fathima-rifqa-bary-ohio-102309,0,5422393.story
Tags: CAIR, Islamic honor killings, Islamic Subversion, America, Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam) To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the Patriot's Corner. Thanks!
Hat Tip: Atlas Shrugs.
"Rifqa's father, Mohamed Bary, was laughing and giddy
during a brief Friday afternoon phone call with the Orlando
Sentinel. He would not comment, though, citing a gag order."
This is a tragic turn of events. CAIR and
Islam must be overjoyed that they have
turned back the truth with continuous
lies and deception about this brave young
woman. Talk about taqiya in the worst
way possible. Rifqa's father is lying troll.
Link to a video of Ms. Bary's reaction is
here is right below here. My apologies
for not getting this video to work.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=2c360b4e-9109-4a2d-aff2-081454d40203&src=front
An Orange County judge ordered the Florida Department of Children and Families to make arrangements to send Ohio teen runaway Fathima Rifqa Bary back to her home state.
A DCF spokeswoman just confirmed her agency received an order from Circuit Judge Daniel Dawson.
"This order indicates that the Court has relinquished its emergency jurisdiction and orders the Department to arrange the transportation of the child to the proper authorities with Franklin County Children Services in Ohio," spokeswoman Carrie Hoeppner said.
"The Department will proceed with those arrangements. Please understand that the details of the transfer will not be released, to best ensure her safety."
Rifqa's private attorney, John Stemberger, has not returned phone calls seeking comment.
Seventeen-year-old Rifqa has been in Central Florida since mid-July, when she ran away from her Columbus-area home.
Rifqa said she feared her Muslim father would harm or kill her because she converted to Christianity. She sought shelter with husband-and-wife pastors in Orlando, and lived with their family for several weeks.
Rifqa was eventually placed into DCF custody, and the teen remained in foster care while the local court determined her fate.
Investigators in Florida and Ohio said they found no threats against Rifqa.
Last week, Dawson decided Rifqa's case should be handled in Ohio. Rifqa will also be placed into foster care in Ohio.
Rifqa's father, Mohamed Bary, was laughing and giddy during a brief Friday afternoon phone call with the Orlando Sentinel. He would not comment, though, citing a gag order.
Sentinel staff writer Rene Stutzman contributed to this report.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-fathima-rifqa-bary-ohio-102309,0,5422393.story
Tags: CAIR, Islamic honor killings, Islamic Subversion, America, Taqiya(using deception and lies to spread Islam) To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the Patriot's Corner. Thanks!
Early report on triple terrorist attacks in Pakistan
DEBKAfile - At least 22 killed in 3 terror attacks as Taliban nears Pakistan's main nuclear missile store
This is the closest the Taliban has gotten to
Pakistan's Nuclear complex. They will keep
trying to get these WMD. Pakistan and
Afghanistan are rapidily becoming Obama
and the democrats nightmare that will not
go away. This country burns as Obama
fiddles away time and our losses mount
daily. I will look for updated reports on these
attacks.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6336
Tags: Afghanistan, Pakistan, WMD To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the Patriot's Corner. Thanks!
This is the closest the Taliban has gotten to
Pakistan's Nuclear complex. They will keep
trying to get these WMD. Pakistan and
Afghanistan are rapidily becoming Obama
and the democrats nightmare that will not
go away. This country burns as Obama
fiddles away time and our losses mount
daily. I will look for updated reports on these
attacks.
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6336
Tags: Afghanistan, Pakistan, WMD To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the Patriot's Corner. Thanks!
Voice in the Wilderness: Mere Conservatism- Theology
Labels:
Constitution,
Dutch Freedom Party,
Founding Fathers,
Theology
A Voice in the Wilderness is a true gem. Mr.Moeller
has eleoquently tied in theology with the Constitution,
Founding Fathers and the Bill of Rights. There is a move to
disconnect these unique, forthright and freedom protecting
documents from our current history. The Founding Fathers
knew what they were doing. They knew NO document was
going to ever be perfect, man is not perfect, nor can what
man does, ever be perfect. That said, The Consitution brought
in our founding theologoy, the discussion of God, not religion
and guaranteed FREEDOM FOR ALL. All religions and ideologies.
These men knew that our Judeo-Christian heritage was instrumental
back then and they knew it would be the same in the future. They
warned against extremeism from either side, right or left. For with
extremeism comes polarization. That is what we have today. Are
we ashamed of our freedom, liberty and that a creator is what gave us
these freedoms? It seems so today as our leaders trot about the globe
apologizing for our past history and how this country was built.
It was not built on diversity and multiculturalism but again,
FREEDOM FOR ALL. The founding fathers had the right building blocks
for our foundation. There is a place to agree on, to strike an accord
between the extremes that truly threaten to tear this country apart.
Enjoy RJ Moeller as he is a true believer in our freedom and how the
Constitution has worked to ensure that Freedom for all for over 220 years.
Mere Conservatism-Theology
by: R.J. Moeller
(Note: If you haven't read the Mere Conservatism Intro yet, take a minute and familiarize yourself with what we're trying to accomplish with this series of essays.)
Theology, history, and economics are the three prisms through which my conservative view of the world can be most clearly seen and understood. Obviously these are three broad categories to draw upon, but stick around for each of the next three weeks as I will be narrowing down what it is I mean by each of these loaded terms.
I completely appreciate that for many Americans the word “theology” is perhaps scary, confusing, misunderstood, or meaningless. It’s okay to admit that, even if you consider yourself a spiritual person.
Theology is simply the study, or understanding, of God.
Every person has a theology, even atheists. They make the bold claim that there is certainly no God. Keep in mind that we are leagues away in this intellectual journey from making declarations as to which God is the true Higher Power. I’m merely attempting to help define theology, and then explain the type of theology that I believe usually leads to a conservative outlook on life. If you consider yourself liberal (or anything else) and find that you agree with my sentiments today, then perhaps we aren't as far apart as our partisan prejudices would have us believe.
The presupposition of my definition for theology is that one has already actually thought about God, about a Higher Power. Looking back on our lives, it is nearly impossible to separate the question of God from our own experiences of asking the “Why am I here?” and “What is my purpose?” questions that rightly plague us all. You can brush these questions off for much or all of your life, but the intellectually honest person is confronted with them and eventually says, “Results be damned: I’m getting to the bottom of life’s meaning and God’s existence.”
On a side note: If you have never reached this point of candid self-reflection in your life, I do not intend to debate the existence of God here and now, but we cannot avoid Him in a discussion of America, let alone American conservatism.
As we continue our discussion about theology, add on to the layers of existential soul-searching I just mentioned the practical, daily implications of those eternal questions. For example, issues such as abortion, murder, capital punishment, and war carry with them critically important moral conundrums that no responsible citizen should ignore. Underlying all of this, in the context of a free society like our own, is the question of “rights.”
Here is where I believe the theology of an American matters. Don’t confuse theology with “religion.” You belong to a religion, but you believe in a particular theology.
The question before us, as fellow citizens of a republic, is the genesis of our rights.
Where do they come from? Does everyone have them? Can they be taken away? Should they ever be taken away? What can and/or should be done if they are taken away?
Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, believed in a Higher Power, but in one who created the world, wound it up like a watch, and then walked away to let things play out as they will. Jefferson believed that like a watch there were certain truths, what one might call Natural Laws, which governed the universe. He was what is known as a “deist.”
He was also a lawyer and a rationally thinking man.
The core of his reasoned defense for America’s right to be free from British tyranny was this: “All men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” This is, in my opinion, the single most distinctive thing about America. The Jewish people of the Old Testament were the first to claim that mankind was made in God’s image. Jefferson, a deist no less, and our remarkable Founding Fathers took the logical next step and said “If God created us, then our rights come from Him, not a king.”
These "truths" were considered to be "self-evident"...as in, "You have to go out of your way to ignore or deny them."
How does one explain where rights come from without a Higher Power? How does one explain the history of this blessed nation without coming in to contact with a Higher Power?
If it is not God, then our rights are in my opinion arbitrary and illusionary. If our rights do not come from someone or something higher than ourselves, namely a Creator, then we are entirely dependent on the whims of the State.
You don’t have to worship on Sunday morning at Sarah Palin’s church or profess belief in a Six-Day Creation to acknowledge the importance of this point. You don’t have to (and shouldn’t) be the type of person who calls America the “Second Israel” to appreciate the uniqueness of this country’s fundamental claims about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The irrefutable genius of our Founders was this: led by their undeniable Judeo-Christian theological influences and values, they conceived a way to ground our national system in theology without forcing people to be religious. You can believe whatever it is you want about God, Jesus, Buddha or the Hale-Bopp Comet. Just remember that this freedom comes from the worldview of our Founders that recognized that our Creator affords each of us a similar freedom while on this earth to accept or reject Him. The system He set up isn’t dependent upon our liking it, but merely accepting it.
The Founding Fathers were saying. “Go ahead and pray (or not pray) to God in any way you see fit – but we believe in a Higher Power and the only possible chance for sustained freedom and liberty we can see is a nation where everyone, especially those who are lent power to lead, is held to a higher standard.”
And from this a second, and for now, final, theological conclusion can be drawn: mankind is messed up. We are “fallen,” the God-fearing man or woman might say. This should be the most obvious theological point in the world. No one disputes that the world has problems. Our neighbors have problems. We have problems. Things aren’t as they should be a lot of the time.
As G.K. Chesterton (pictured right) phrased it in Orthodoxy, "Certain new theologians dispute original sin, which is the only part of Judeo-Christian theology which can really be proved."
Many secular-progressives excitedly say that while the Declaration of Independence may contain some “quasi-religious rhetoric,” that the real test is the Constitution and its alleged lack of “God language.” Argument won, right?
Well, first of all, there shouldn’t be any argument about the historical fact that the men who put together the framework for our republican democracy, who wrote the Bill of Rights, who signed the Declaration, who led the colonial troops in to battle were predominantly and overwhelmingly religious, theological dudes. This is simply the historical narrative of the country we all happen to live in.
No one wants a theocracy, but to write the Judeo-Christian heritage out of our nation’s history is preposterous and should not be taken seriously. For better or worse, this is who we are.
But more importantly, I contend that the Constitution is implicit in its theology. The very first thing our Framers wrote down was the concept of freedom of religion. Want to take a guess what (or Who) was on their minds when they wrote that? Certainly they were wanting to protect against a State-run church, the kind they had (have) back in Europe, but the reality of a Creator loomed in the words and on the pages of nearly everything these visionary men spoke and wrote.
Was anyone expecting James Madison and the boys, to prove how much they believe in a Higher Power, would have to have thrown in an “Oh by the way, God rules and someday secular atheists like Chrisopher Hitchens will drool,” shout-out in the first ten amendments? If they had included a specific “Jesus is my Homeboy clause” in the Bill of Rights it would have flown in the face of the liberty-based sentiments from the Declaration that was their case to the world as to why they deserved to be free.
Just because haters on the secular Left and zealots on the religious right don’t seem to comprehend these subtle, yet profound, truths about the Founders intentions doesn’t mean we all miss them.
The Constitution is also inherently theological regarding my second point from before: the fallen state of mankind. The separation of powers would not be necessary in a world where enough hope, change, progress, and blaming Fox News for its “bias” could solve all social, political and moral ills. Of course we need protection from those who inevitably do wrong, and consequently we must have debates and votes regarding how much of our liberties we are willing to exchange for security.
Compromise is a reality of life. But so are sin and crime and murder and ponzi schemes and everything in between realities of life. The Founders believed things could be better, but never perfect.
They also believed that a significant contributor to ensuring things would be perennially worse was the centralization of power in the hands of a few “elites” who promised the rest of the population that they knew what was best.
From these two fundamental theological concepts - the existence of a Creator who grants us our rights and the natural depravity of man - a coherent, cohesive, and typically conservative worldview begins to form.
If you came to my church on Sunday or asked me over coffee to explain my religious faith in Jesus Christ, I’d be more than happy to share my life and my doctrinal beliefs regarding the God of the Old and New Testament. I could draw upon deeper biblical insights to explain why I believe Scripture and Christian teaching and tradition point people to a conservative worldview.
But in the public square, in the marketplace of ideas, in a free society that should welcome all points of view, and in an essay attempting to define the basic theological ideas pertinent to a conservative outlook on life, I only need the two I’ve already stated.
This is just the first stop on our intellectual journey, but it is a big one.
http://rjmoeller.com/2009/10/mere-conservatism-theology/
has eleoquently tied in theology with the Constitution,
Founding Fathers and the Bill of Rights. There is a move to
disconnect these unique, forthright and freedom protecting
documents from our current history. The Founding Fathers
knew what they were doing. They knew NO document was
going to ever be perfect, man is not perfect, nor can what
man does, ever be perfect. That said, The Consitution brought
in our founding theologoy, the discussion of God, not religion
and guaranteed FREEDOM FOR ALL. All religions and ideologies.
These men knew that our Judeo-Christian heritage was instrumental
back then and they knew it would be the same in the future. They
warned against extremeism from either side, right or left. For with
extremeism comes polarization. That is what we have today. Are
we ashamed of our freedom, liberty and that a creator is what gave us
these freedoms? It seems so today as our leaders trot about the globe
apologizing for our past history and how this country was built.
It was not built on diversity and multiculturalism but again,
FREEDOM FOR ALL. The founding fathers had the right building blocks
for our foundation. There is a place to agree on, to strike an accord
between the extremes that truly threaten to tear this country apart.
Enjoy RJ Moeller as he is a true believer in our freedom and how the
Constitution has worked to ensure that Freedom for all for over 220 years.
Mere Conservatism-Theology
by: R.J. Moeller
(Note: If you haven't read the Mere Conservatism Intro yet, take a minute and familiarize yourself with what we're trying to accomplish with this series of essays.)
Theology, history, and economics are the three prisms through which my conservative view of the world can be most clearly seen and understood. Obviously these are three broad categories to draw upon, but stick around for each of the next three weeks as I will be narrowing down what it is I mean by each of these loaded terms.
I completely appreciate that for many Americans the word “theology” is perhaps scary, confusing, misunderstood, or meaningless. It’s okay to admit that, even if you consider yourself a spiritual person.
Theology is simply the study, or understanding, of God.
Every person has a theology, even atheists. They make the bold claim that there is certainly no God. Keep in mind that we are leagues away in this intellectual journey from making declarations as to which God is the true Higher Power. I’m merely attempting to help define theology, and then explain the type of theology that I believe usually leads to a conservative outlook on life. If you consider yourself liberal (or anything else) and find that you agree with my sentiments today, then perhaps we aren't as far apart as our partisan prejudices would have us believe.
The presupposition of my definition for theology is that one has already actually thought about God, about a Higher Power. Looking back on our lives, it is nearly impossible to separate the question of God from our own experiences of asking the “Why am I here?” and “What is my purpose?” questions that rightly plague us all. You can brush these questions off for much or all of your life, but the intellectually honest person is confronted with them and eventually says, “Results be damned: I’m getting to the bottom of life’s meaning and God’s existence.”
On a side note: If you have never reached this point of candid self-reflection in your life, I do not intend to debate the existence of God here and now, but we cannot avoid Him in a discussion of America, let alone American conservatism.
As we continue our discussion about theology, add on to the layers of existential soul-searching I just mentioned the practical, daily implications of those eternal questions. For example, issues such as abortion, murder, capital punishment, and war carry with them critically important moral conundrums that no responsible citizen should ignore. Underlying all of this, in the context of a free society like our own, is the question of “rights.”
Here is where I believe the theology of an American matters. Don’t confuse theology with “religion.” You belong to a religion, but you believe in a particular theology.
The question before us, as fellow citizens of a republic, is the genesis of our rights.
Where do they come from? Does everyone have them? Can they be taken away? Should they ever be taken away? What can and/or should be done if they are taken away?
Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, believed in a Higher Power, but in one who created the world, wound it up like a watch, and then walked away to let things play out as they will. Jefferson believed that like a watch there were certain truths, what one might call Natural Laws, which governed the universe. He was what is known as a “deist.”
He was also a lawyer and a rationally thinking man.
The core of his reasoned defense for America’s right to be free from British tyranny was this: “All men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” This is, in my opinion, the single most distinctive thing about America. The Jewish people of the Old Testament were the first to claim that mankind was made in God’s image. Jefferson, a deist no less, and our remarkable Founding Fathers took the logical next step and said “If God created us, then our rights come from Him, not a king.”
These "truths" were considered to be "self-evident"...as in, "You have to go out of your way to ignore or deny them."
How does one explain where rights come from without a Higher Power? How does one explain the history of this blessed nation without coming in to contact with a Higher Power?
If it is not God, then our rights are in my opinion arbitrary and illusionary. If our rights do not come from someone or something higher than ourselves, namely a Creator, then we are entirely dependent on the whims of the State.
You don’t have to worship on Sunday morning at Sarah Palin’s church or profess belief in a Six-Day Creation to acknowledge the importance of this point. You don’t have to (and shouldn’t) be the type of person who calls America the “Second Israel” to appreciate the uniqueness of this country’s fundamental claims about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The irrefutable genius of our Founders was this: led by their undeniable Judeo-Christian theological influences and values, they conceived a way to ground our national system in theology without forcing people to be religious. You can believe whatever it is you want about God, Jesus, Buddha or the Hale-Bopp Comet. Just remember that this freedom comes from the worldview of our Founders that recognized that our Creator affords each of us a similar freedom while on this earth to accept or reject Him. The system He set up isn’t dependent upon our liking it, but merely accepting it.
The Founding Fathers were saying. “Go ahead and pray (or not pray) to God in any way you see fit – but we believe in a Higher Power and the only possible chance for sustained freedom and liberty we can see is a nation where everyone, especially those who are lent power to lead, is held to a higher standard.”
And from this a second, and for now, final, theological conclusion can be drawn: mankind is messed up. We are “fallen,” the God-fearing man or woman might say. This should be the most obvious theological point in the world. No one disputes that the world has problems. Our neighbors have problems. We have problems. Things aren’t as they should be a lot of the time.
As G.K. Chesterton (pictured right) phrased it in Orthodoxy, "Certain new theologians dispute original sin, which is the only part of Judeo-Christian theology which can really be proved."
Many secular-progressives excitedly say that while the Declaration of Independence may contain some “quasi-religious rhetoric,” that the real test is the Constitution and its alleged lack of “God language.” Argument won, right?
Well, first of all, there shouldn’t be any argument about the historical fact that the men who put together the framework for our republican democracy, who wrote the Bill of Rights, who signed the Declaration, who led the colonial troops in to battle were predominantly and overwhelmingly religious, theological dudes. This is simply the historical narrative of the country we all happen to live in.
No one wants a theocracy, but to write the Judeo-Christian heritage out of our nation’s history is preposterous and should not be taken seriously. For better or worse, this is who we are.
But more importantly, I contend that the Constitution is implicit in its theology. The very first thing our Framers wrote down was the concept of freedom of religion. Want to take a guess what (or Who) was on their minds when they wrote that? Certainly they were wanting to protect against a State-run church, the kind they had (have) back in Europe, but the reality of a Creator loomed in the words and on the pages of nearly everything these visionary men spoke and wrote.
Was anyone expecting James Madison and the boys, to prove how much they believe in a Higher Power, would have to have thrown in an “Oh by the way, God rules and someday secular atheists like Chrisopher Hitchens will drool,” shout-out in the first ten amendments? If they had included a specific “Jesus is my Homeboy clause” in the Bill of Rights it would have flown in the face of the liberty-based sentiments from the Declaration that was their case to the world as to why they deserved to be free.
Just because haters on the secular Left and zealots on the religious right don’t seem to comprehend these subtle, yet profound, truths about the Founders intentions doesn’t mean we all miss them.
The Constitution is also inherently theological regarding my second point from before: the fallen state of mankind. The separation of powers would not be necessary in a world where enough hope, change, progress, and blaming Fox News for its “bias” could solve all social, political and moral ills. Of course we need protection from those who inevitably do wrong, and consequently we must have debates and votes regarding how much of our liberties we are willing to exchange for security.
Compromise is a reality of life. But so are sin and crime and murder and ponzi schemes and everything in between realities of life. The Founders believed things could be better, but never perfect.
They also believed that a significant contributor to ensuring things would be perennially worse was the centralization of power in the hands of a few “elites” who promised the rest of the population that they knew what was best.
From these two fundamental theological concepts - the existence of a Creator who grants us our rights and the natural depravity of man - a coherent, cohesive, and typically conservative worldview begins to form.
If you came to my church on Sunday or asked me over coffee to explain my religious faith in Jesus Christ, I’d be more than happy to share my life and my doctrinal beliefs regarding the God of the Old and New Testament. I could draw upon deeper biblical insights to explain why I believe Scripture and Christian teaching and tradition point people to a conservative worldview.
But in the public square, in the marketplace of ideas, in a free society that should welcome all points of view, and in an essay attempting to define the basic theological ideas pertinent to a conservative outlook on life, I only need the two I’ve already stated.
This is just the first stop on our intellectual journey, but it is a big one.
http://rjmoeller.com/2009/10/mere-conservatism-theology/
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